The Father of Lies demands submission because he declared that he would not serve. I guess this was written for those who hate Barron as much as she does, or who wont watch the interview. Remember?). Christ, as the Word of God, taught us to Love. I think it is fair to say that most of us are burying our talents our faith. Thanks for keeping it real! Editors Note: Brandon Vogt, who serves as the Content Director for Bishop Robert Barrons Word on Fire Catholic Ministries, contacted us to saythat Bishop Barron was grabbed by the interviewer as he was walking through the room and invited to sit down for an interview. These are false shepherds my friend and you would be advised compare their statements with the teaching of the Church over the centuries, lest they lead you to Hell also. They could from at least from the pulpits, for petes sake! This is SURVIVAL, and we are being told to expose our throats. People are wired for worship and to do great things for God. The irony of you accusing others of bluster when youve done nothing but spray histrionics across the page since you arrived here is a bit too thick. Or, would you have that state leaders abandon their responsibility to protect the citizens of their states? And Bishop Baron, faced with a double threat from both the baby killers and Islam, does nothing to defend innocent life. You can cite all you want Bishop Barrons words elsewhere, or note a passing comment he makes at the start of this clip, but they do not put a dent in the message this televised interview seems to give about his recommended response to the Mohammedan atrocities in Paris, viz. The holy altars of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church are the anvils upon which the our cold and iron-hard hearts, warmed by the fire of Divine Love, may be forged into an object of lasting peace with God. It isnt. Tradition and the Magisterium. At the point where listening to Fr. Christ told his apostles to buy swords so that he could be counted among the wicked ie. And shes uncharitable down to the smallest detail Is it not also true that to be called a son of perdition means one is a rebel against God? A well formed Catholic intellectual? Hardly. Bishop of What many of us here desire is a Bishop who has the spine to say, Massacres like this are precisely why the Crusades were fought. Robert Barrons Word on Fire chats. The verses you quote, though, show that it has nothing to do with violence, just or unjust. Robert Barron WebBishop Robert Barron is the bishop of the Diocese of Winona-Rochester (Minnesota) and the founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries. Just what we need another effeminate minded Bishop. Bishop Barron has gone into depth about Catholic Just War theory in numerous forums, most publicly in the Catholicism documentary series. Congratulations Bishop Barron, Minnesota bound. Look, weve all said things we wish we could have said more clearly, and speaking as someone who works for a bishop who is under intense scrutiny, I know how difficult it is to express your thoughts clearly in response to spontaneous questioning. Unfortunately to even get anyone to notice problems with the voices that get recognized as official spokesmen, you apparently have to lite street fires. You posted in part: the fact is that the bishop has argued in favor of Just War theory on numerous occasions. The First Crusade was prompted by the collapse of Byzantine power in Asia Minor following the defeat at Manizert to the Seljuk Turks with the result that most quickly led to Turkish conquest of most of the peninsula with the usual slaughter, pillage and exodus of Christians from that most ancient of Christian lands. . Its nothing more than wild conjecture meant to paint Bishop Barrons response as cold and calculated. Bishop Barron. claimed to know if any human being is actually in Hell. If thats what you mean by them, viz. The targets included the Bataclan theatre for exhibitions, where hundreds of pagans gathered for a concert of prostitution and vice. Do we have six million converting from Islam to Christianity? Al Qataani repeated his assertion. David was a man after Gods own heart, and he put a stone between the eyes of Gods chosen peoples mortal enemy. Bold and decisive action concerning it is past due, but our usually voluble pontiff is silent. Innocents are being slaughtered all over the world by Muslims again. Reasonable hopethat phrase is uttered more times than I could count watching Fr. And so eight brothers equipped with explosive belts and assault rifles attacked precisely chosen targets in the center of the capital of France. June 2, 2022. Yet even if you believed Bishop Barron encouraged dhimmitude, do you think a respectful author or editor would send a quick email to verify if thats the case, or if perhaps his spontaneous, 30-second answer lacked the nuance necessary for a complete evaluation of his position? And it is terribly sinful. Shes dishonest. Understand the reason for the Crusades and the reconquista. Yes. Go on a Heros Journey. Pacifists have the luxury to be pacifists since they live in their comfortable cosy and safe homes and whose own safety is here, here to the interview with Bishop Barron and Mark W on the movie Father Stu. Bishop Robert Barron warns that religion should not be just a One need not desire the destruction of an enemy that one must nonetheless destroy. That doesnt leave much room for Just War theory. If he wants to offer further information to fill in the gaps Im sure Steve will post an additional update. Even the reflected glow of the sight of the Trinity on Moses face was unbearable to people living with sin. 12 State Street. No religion, no nations, no social organization based upon a moral code just dope, sex and rock and roll. God has spoken through creation, the prophets, the Scripturesand, in the fullness of time, the very Word of God. And he does not advocate pacifism. Something really out of sync with that pic! He thinks though, and is interesting that way from time to time. go to heaven Our writers come from diverse backgrounds, but share a common goal: to work together to restore the beauty, majesty, and glory of the Catholic Church as the principal force for good in a fallen world.. God, in His infinite mercy and condescension has provided the forum in which a man may make a formal renunciation of his misguided participation in the war against God, surrender his ill gotten gains, and take the Kings peace. such as calling his personal reaction to seeing violence in a place And because he remembered some of the locations involved, the attacks were moving and poignant.. Lip service. Dhimmitude. The truth is that you and Mullarky didnt need to watch the video even once. Love requires knowledge, and so we must come to know and understand whom we perceive as our enemies, the bad and the good, even if wed rather focus on the former. Nobody is all good or all bad. So what are you planning to do? He uses as the springboard for his remarks the fact that he had seen the World War I flick on combat on the Western Front in 1917 . Islam views us not as fellow sojourners towards heaven, but as conquests who must convert or become dhimmi and pay the Jizya. It was also a reaffirmation of his public view on this issue. This is polemical and false. After the first Synod last year he wrote about it as sausage making and nothing to be concerned about. We, who say that Jesus is Lord, what are we going to do? If what you say about the interview is true, Miss Mullarkey can be accused of speculation based on insufficient evidence. God bless Bishop Sheen. Why You Should Crave Holy Fear - Word on Fire And, to address the menace presently at hand, is it really prudent to stand by watching passively while Mohammedan savages acquire more and more wealth, warriors, and weapons, and while they place agents in countries around the world? But heres an alternative explanation: when chatting up liberal blondes in hotel lobbies, talking about Gandhi and Lennon is par for the course. Jesus addressed someone forcing you to walk a mile, not forcing you to convert to the devils religion under threat of death. I do respect Bishop Barron, but I would defend my worst enemy from the tactics used here on this website. typical soft girly-man misunderstanding of the gospel. Excellent article Maureen. Baron? A successor to the Apostles must do more than merely regurgitate doctrine. You owe Thus, they were truthful with Allah we consider them so and Allah granted victory upon their hands and cast terror into the hearts of the crusaders in their very own homeland. There is no mercy in Islam. Barron does mention the Just War Theory. The then Father Barron filled in some blanks. I did enjoy Bishop Barrons Catholicism but have been disappointed to see him kiss the hem of Francis whom he calls the bomb. This papacy is fraught with problems due to the scrambled thinking of this pope. genocidal demoniacs bent on mass and indiscriminate slaughter), he passes by Just War theory as something that may be applicable someday somewhere, and then proceeds to counsel individuals, both in their personal and public lives, to respond to such attacks with a non-violent stance. Bishop Robert Barron, a controversial cleric on both the secular left and right for his talks on ethics and evangelization, says the Catholic Church needs a new order of Also, if I made any errors of spelling or grammar, I apologize very much. To scroll down this page and see all the criticisms of Bishop Barron is so disheartening. Do you remember His words concerning the Scribes and Pharisees of his day? Couldnt help but notice how handsome Bishop Barron was in this interview. Whether you find on taking out ISIS and our clergy aernt up to fighting back. Bishop Robert Barron . Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Do I mean going to Heaven) narrow road and wide path for another example it is a staggeringly blind position to claim universal salvation as even desirable. . Maybe another hundred names belong here when you add Polycarp and Thomas and even savages like Aristotle. MATTHEW 7:13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. Easy? But this critique fails on all three criteria. Fr. Re-read the sentences in the post above and ask yourself precisely what about them is logically false. He had no advance notice, no idea what questions would be asked, and his answers were given on the fly, without preparation.<<. So when are you shipping out there tough guy? Nothing matters; nothing will succeed if we dont start there. .one must go back to see what and who formed Bishop Barron. Bishop Barron then we should be strong and risk death to convert ISIS. December 8, 2022. IT must be the absolutely last resort resort after the last resort. It is interesting that you call upon history and you miss the most obvious of all, who is Christ Himself and His crucifixion. A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE by Bishop Robert Barron March 30, 2011, My own conviction is that Balthasar has this more or less Without mercy, one cannot have holy zealousness that can move the heart into seeking, not revenge, not vendetta, but true justice. So lets just get on with it! Show us how its done. Bravo Steve, Johnny and Brian. Can you not comprehend the situation? Mindless pacifism isnt Christian, its a Satanic aping of Christianity. Now, I hear this latest account..Like Fr. Faith requires courage. Celine during the short moments that remain to us, let us He is a master at decoding the deeper currents in our culture, and his analysis goes a long way toward showing how things have reached this point. He upholds the just war theory, so to charge his thinking dangerous, seems a bit much. What comes to mind of recent times was seeing the pope make warm and fuzzy with his moe foot washing/kissing scene. Did she do it politically, or through war? And exactly who is going to be leading the charge? I do think that sometimes, in our finite and It is a shame because he does do a lot of good work. What the Catholic Church should be doing at this most solemn and frightening moment is to reassert her centuries long condemnation of radical Islam and call on the armies of the civilized world to defeat it. Yes, hes part of the dont blame Muslims crowd but submit to Islam? And St. Paul said, While there is time, let us do good. Let us do the good that the Lord calls us to do, each of us, and stop spending so much time scrutinizing what our good brothers and sisters are doing. When things veer dangerously away from those truths particularly when that happens at the prompting of a popular Catholic figure we do indeed think it imperative to offer a corrective. You might like this: a sign on a car in the South read: The game is fixed. (See the deleted quotation and link below.). Cant you admit she overstated her case? and 921 more episodes by Bishop Barrons Sunday Sermons - Catholic Preaching And Homilies, free! the leader of a band of thieves. We should just remember how many times the Israelites rushed into battle and were slaughtered because they relied on there own strength and not the help of God. On the contrary, it is standard practice to establish before air time which questions will be asked. Secondly, how else are we understand Bishop Barrons urging of non-violence here as being other than passivity in the face of such terrorism (in this case practical dhimmitude) unless there is a massive call for violence against Muslims? Inversion of circumstances between Islam and the West is as bizarre as it is reckless. As many on this thread have noted, Barron does indeed state that there are times when answering violence with violence under Just War theory is the only option. WebBishop of Syriac Catholic Diocese of Our Lady of Deliverance in the USA. Know your faith theres another thought: A quote from Augustine that I can not find again: its not the rather pertinent to the day one about not being attracted to the Church because of its bishops how true is that today?! Time for you to find another website to haunt. Bishop Barron Which leads to phrases like righteous anger, and, Be angry but sin not. He always considered it a lack of faith to resort to relying on earthly powers. Secondly, its problematic to assert that Christians lived peacefully under Muslim rule in the pre-Crusade lands even apart from Asia Minor. Because there were people walking around in the background? Since the central condition of mankind is the fact of his participation in a war against God, the only solution is for himself and on behalf do those under his authority is to attempt to make peace with God. He is not a progressive. I dont recall Christ ever saying that we can turn demons into good guys by just being nice to them. ignored much of what he said and twisted the rest. effectively takes that card off the table, and exhorts every would-be victim to take a non-violent stance. Understanding Bishop Robert Barron - The Catholic Thing Sadly, much of the world has fallen for the recast of St. Francis as a hippie who was more like Snow White singing We Are The World. Listening, I realized why I have never been able to cotton to Word on Fire: Barron is smarmy. conflictual world, violence has to be used in defense. If this is true, its disastrous. If you do, why do you pray this: Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy? What Should We Make of Bishop Barron? - Crisis Magazine Father Barron. I havent listened to Barron in years. We may have to fight this with one hand tied behind our back. Even modern evangelicals have criticized it. These guys are not cowards and they are not playing pattycakes, something they have been trying every which way and Tuesday to tell those in the West who desperately want to think otherwise. Bishop Barron I dont hang around on Protestant sites getting in the way of their arguments. Justice must be preserved and peoples lives protected at all costs. Worse yet if it is someone who pays attention and ought to understand what he is doing. If you dont like it, nit-pick your own. Barron will become the 9th bishop to lead the diocese with a population of some 130,000 Catholics. And, if what you say is actually the truth, that somehow makes his answers better? Thank you. Commentaries. substance of Bishop Barrons answer and to ignore his acknowledgement Detroit, MI. Truly obtuse. Bishop Barren (of good Catholic sense) is indeed dangerous. Her exasperation is totally understandable, her choice of words not so much. Whether or not Western culture is debased and un-Christian, the people of the West are the descendants and inheritors of Christendom. This is suicide, both individually and culturally. Patrick Barron (bishop) (19111991), Anglican Bishop of I am not saying we should all walk into the gas chambers and the ovens in order to be good Christians Paul did not do this until he finished his ministry and mission, so did Peter. Required fields are marked *. 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Catholic bishop: Harvard jumped the shark with atheist chaplain In fact, Im shocked the editors allowed it to be published. From all who belong to him Mary holds first place as the first disciple and mother of the Lord. However, there are a large number of people in the US who believe that KJV is the ONLY valid translation. Bp. Robert Barrons Spiritual Poison - Church Militant and 921 more episodes by Bishop Barrons Sunday Sermons - Catholic Preaching And Homilies, free! I am having trouble seeing the point of if. All I can conclude is you do not understand the catastrophic enormity of what we are facing. Yes, Craig. Multiple resignations at Bishop Barrons Word on Fire after Why the Sciences Will Never Disprove the Existence of God If not in the face of genocidal demoniacs, when?. This group of believers were youth who divorced the worldly life and advanced towards their enemy hoping to be killed for Allahs sake, doing so in support of His religion, His Prophet (blessing and peace be upon him), and His allies. He is the host of CATHOLICISM, a groundbreaking, award-winning documentary about the Catholic Faith, which aired on PBS. With comments like these who needs friends? Thats an industry standard; it would be strange to assume otherwise. Jesus said to turn the other cheek in response to a slap in the face, not somebody trying to slit you and your childrens throats. Missionary efforts against Islam have been almost completely ineffectual. But really, the provocation on Rosmans part is truly diabolical. Total modernist nonsense. This isnt a referendum on Barron as a person. Quite obviously. Christ most certainly was not a pacifist. If not in the face of genocidal demoniacs, when? NO, in the interview he DID say that a Just war is sometimes needed. Barron. In the About section of your site it reads: OnePeterFive exists as a place to begin rebuilding the Catholic ethos. Let me clarify. Thats what youre doing. We do quite a lot on restoration and rebuilding, but the urgency of the present crisis requires thoughtful analysis and refutation as well. Bishop He says it clearly in the Gospel of John I am the way, the truth and the life. Feckless. genocidal demoniacs bent on mass and indiscriminate slaughter), he passes by Just War theory as if its an aside, as something that may be applicable someday somewhere, but not in this instance; and then from there he proceeds to counsel individuals, both in their personal and public lives, to respond to such attacks with a non-violent stance. Bishop Barron is a #1 Amazon bestselling author and A bit full of himself, I would say. I have it on good authority that A J MacDonald Jr. is not Jesus. Hard not to admire his magnanimity in the face of such cruelty and bloodshed. THAT would be Christlike, not refusing to preach the truth of Catholic Faith and morals while pretending to be like Jesus as we die while professing zero. A healthy discernment puts our gifts into focus and, equally important, cuts away what is not necessary. So, to be clear, Im not insinuating Particularly Francis. Also the pacifists are only pacifistic when other suffer, are terrorized,tortured, raped, slaughtered while they are safe themselves. Oh, yes. You might as well go all out. It might not be easy for Islam to defeat the polemic and drag towards violence, but many have, and it is possible. Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C., auxiliary bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan, one of the truly great prelates of our troubled era, in an interview with Life Site News, identified with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor Bishop Barron exclaims that this quest to have the divine life within us is the central message of the Bible. Then you should just stay home with the women. Pacifists quit being pacifists at the moment when its about saving their own necks:There are times when pacifism simply wont work. One more point: I find it odd that Maureen did not link to the original YouTube video so readers could arrive at their own conclusions instead of relying on her own polemical spin. Pope Francis has encouraged those in adultery to receive Communion, so he has failed to bring those people to repentance and compounded their mortal sin by encouraging them to receive Communion in that state. I hope you dont mind if I use it. Bishop Robert Barron is the founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries and bishop of the Diocese of Winona-Rochester in Minnesota. 48226-1823. Can we not make some effort to live in peace, at least with each other, as Christians? The difference at Tours, as opposed to many other Christian defeats, was the unity and determination of the Christians. It was an ancillary point, meant to bolster the idea that Bishop Barron actually knew what he was saying. May we expect an article from Ms. Mullarkey concerning the fact that the POTUS rambled on yesterday about kissing Michelle in Paris and therefore the attacks were personal to him.or is that type of poignancy not to be questioned? One cannot say that to promote a peaceful, prayerful, merciful response is wrong, and one cannot say that to respond by taking up arms is necessarily wrong all the time either, in the face of such atrocious and spreading violence. Or to the blood-thirst, power-seeking Romans? There is no question of hatred in the matter at all, a point lost on too many Catholics today. And they just dont care. anothers hands. Your insinuations about our lack of respectability are clear, Brandon. Funny and very true. Please watch the video for yourselves. Sorry Steve but it was an impromptu interviewnothing pre-planned, nothing rehearsed as accused by Ms. Mullarkeyand I can say this because of the setting in which he was intervieweda busy hall wayand as Brandon said, he was on the run. Do The result of the attacks was the deaths of no less than two hundred crusaders and the wounding of even more. Or is it better to bomb them to oblivion before they get too powerful and cause even more chaos as they have promised to do repeatedly? But I suspect that the Holy Spirit and St Jerome probably constitute as much of a typewriter as was involved. The 62-year-old Chicago native who founded the Word on Fire ministry and who has Last time I checked, the Mohammedans werent in the OT. Robert Barrons most popular book is Seeds of the Word: Finding God in the Culture. Not much into nonviolence are you, Maureen? That was almost the textbook definition of lip service. Barron was in Baltimore for his initial appearance among the USCCB. For there is wickedness in their dwellings, in their I take it you didnt fancy Lennons communist manifesto Imagine being played on the piano at the Paris attacks? We must see the world with the eyes of Christ, not our own self-centered eyes. His position seems unsupportable. that at times one has the duty, not merely the option, to defend his family and himself, that there are circumstances where kumbaya-talk just doesnt cut the mustard. I am unaware of anyone placing this tragedy into a Muslim vs Christian context. Its a very, very old one. I agree with the archbishop halfway: we are being punished. And we appear to be fraying at the seams, and not the one, untorn garment that can actually inspire belief. ? and No serious editors! when in reality, no serious editor would ever stop to consider whether a global media outlet might conduct something as oxymoronic as an on-the-fly-sit-down interview, complete with lighting and makeup, but no discussion of the content beforehand. Some of what he says is not from God guess where that comes from? Unless youre saying he didnt really know what he was saying because he was put on the spot? Barron is wrong in this. But one of the great fathers of the church, who was also great at explaining things, was also a heretic.
